Alright, so Microsoft was able to build more around the internet infrustructure which makes sense considering it costed the players money in order to use the live service. I'm sure you can go on. I was simply asking you to clearify cause I didn't care to follow much of the online connectivity back then. And yes bungie thrived with the xbox community because halo is an exclusive with Microsoft because of the contract. So you have no way of telling me that halo would fail if it wasn't with Microsoft. Jeeze man. I totally understand what your saying but damn... Microsoft owns halo and is only for Xbox. So yeah it's really obvious that bungie got recognition, fan base and money from the xbox community. Kill zone, uncharted, the last of us etc. I'm sure would do just same on the xbox community. Stop thinking that I'm some sort of "fan boy". It's rude and arrogant. I just wanted to add to your original post. I'm sorry you thought I was arguing with you...