and matchmaking putting all the sweats in one team and expected you the player to carry a team of weaklings.

Slow melee like smoke is very weak, titans can close the gab quick, and auto connect very powerfully, what about child of the old gods? Scatter grenades? Who get's killed by a smoke bomb ever? You people believe yourselves As a hunter main, it is very upsetting for me to get killed before I even use my ability, or get killed because my super's cast speed is so slow, or that other classes are able to fly/ float away much faster, than my super can catch up to them You have it in the reverse, the ones who are very good using invisibility as hunters, are simply quite good, it does not make you come out on top automatically, if you are average, or even above average to begin with Both titans and warlocks spam like crazy, fly away and cast, cast an ability, and walk away completely, it's bs, easy wins all the way, I raid with people, and everyone knows hunters are useless, to put it politely Go ahead down vote me, but if I say nothing, you might believe yourself that you are telling the truth Please take a look at this video here, I have had many supremacy matches like this, where teams of titans or warlocks, absolutely wiped the floor with all of us, not just a defeat, but a humiliating one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-Ikj5f_z-c

Also,a problem is there are too many invis at one time. Plus new players can't recognize them as easily. They use potent guns behind invisibility and literally in more ways then one get the "jump" on a player. If they are not void then they're melting you with golden gun. There's also alot of players just running in every direction in supremacy. It's tough.

Ive played since the start of guardian games, all I’ve been match up with is Titians and Warlocks. My team is all hunters and in total won, 4 matches out of maybe 30. Warlocks are OP in PvP now. Hunters shoot out of supers and warlocks and Titians have supers for the whole map wiping everyone almost 2 times. If it’s that bad for warlocks than join me and let me see lol I’m already losing lol.

My experience with invis hunters usually goes like this. Hear a hunter go invis and know exactly where they are coming from based on the sound while they have reduced radar, see invis hunter come from the logical lane in the direction I heard the sound, kill invisible hunter, profit. Invis loses a lot of its value when used against players with good map knowledge, since there just aren't that many lanes to use. And when I do die to one it's not because they are invis it's because I was outnumbered.

[quote]Invisible all the time Smoke nades every where Cheaters one taping you with weapons that are not capable of doing that. Night stalker supers for all the hunters other opposite team. Hunters abilities are not balanced.[/quote] What are you being one tapped by?

Also I just thought of this. I was seeing hunters shift. Then that was gone. Then I was seeing golden gun. Then that was gone. Then in rolled the void hunter. Look Bungie, if you are going to matchmake classes with elements I'll take 6 strand warlocks please!!

It's just very noticeable in guardian games.6 of them invis or golden gun is 😨! I hope next year they add same class battles!

I don't think Hunters are that much stronger than Warlocks or Titans... But I agree changes are needed. Hunters * Nerf Invisibility > Could make it so when shot, invisbility is broken > Could make it easier to see > Could remove radar manipulation advantage > Could make it so moving faster makes it easier to see player * Nerf smokes > Last 5 seconds instead of 9 (radar manipulation time nerf) * Nerf Dragon's Shadow > Reduce Handling bonus or Stability bonus Titans * Nerf Shiver Strike + Knockout combo > Reduce melee range of Knockout > Shiver Strike has larger turn radius (is less mobile) Warlocks * Nerf Pocket Singularity > Make it track less aggressively * Nerf offensive Weavewalk play or at least the movement of Weavewalk players > Can no longer use animations to "skate" > Can no longer move as quicjly while Weavewalkkng Weapons * Nerf Delicate Tuning Perk > Reduce bonus range and accuracy * Nerf Precision Instrument > Reduce damage so it only helps against overshields or forgiveness and does not change TTK of weapons without significant investment into weapon stat