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11/8/2025 1:54:25 PM
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Raids are the best content this game has

So, why is it so many of you don’t engage with it? Not throwing shade, just curious.

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  • I refused to play this raid due to the towering system. I think they’ve changed it now but having a player who grinded solo caldera for 40 hours getting better rewards for completing the same raid as me just didn’t sit well. Same reason I don’t go for flawless in trials any more. Completing the same activity should reward players the same quality loot.

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  • I skip the ones where I need to memorize those stupid symbols, same with the dungeons.

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  • Too long, dumb mechanics, not rewarding, can't find a team lol

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  • They used to be

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  • I don’t usually run them because I am a mediocre player lol. 😂

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    It’s the final countdown (oh oh-oh oh) - old

    Too complicated/too many mechanics. Impatient players that complain when their expectations aren’t met - despite being clear/upfront about a lack of experience/knowledge. Too time consuming for a single activity. Rewards not worth dealing with any/all of the above.

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  • I don't raid because: (a) The mechanics are annoying; (b) Due to (a) you require a microphone; (c) Due to (a) they take too long.

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    • Stop raiding since Salvation Edge, done it full twice, and a couple of times the boss for the gun, never set foot in there after. Over complicated mechanics, caos encounters, not first timers friendly. I think the level of difficulty on mechanics was on point in TK and Vog. You could do the raid while teaching/carring one or two people. Was simpler to explain mechanics. Another thing is power delta. They shouldn’t had implemented in the normal version, not that it is a huge deal, but no power delta helps to learn the mechanics because you can take more damage and be more concentrated on what’s happenin instead not getting killed. And they not fun, meaning you can’t do the encounters while chatting with your team mates because you have to constantly be telling “this is done”, “that is done”.

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    • Edited by Guardian,Archon Of Light: 11/8/2025 6:48:23 PM
      Because raids in D2 are built for world first races(especially the last 3/4), requiring near perfect coordination and communication to complete encounters with no room for error Such an environment creates a hostile toxic experience for less experienced players Also Revive Tokens, punishing the whole team for a death, not allowing hero moments for pros to clutch an encounter shorthanded, like one time in Hard VOG Confluxes, during the last wave, everyone died, but somehow I held down all 3 confluxes and survived, if that was D2, we would have wiped from shared fate That's why so few of the mostly casual player base don't engage with them, I would bet 2025 Gambit has higher engagement than multi-million dollar raids I'm not saying they be turned into extended strikes like RON, even I found that raid boring, only 2 people actually get to participate, but should be like Wrath, still requiring coordination, but with room for error

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      • I don't want to deal with Legend of Zelda Dungeons in a FPS game.

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      • There are raids, multiple even, for all skill and understanding levels. Near infinite resources online to answer questions or give tips and insights for success. Despite that, Ive seen countless able guardians here and in-game, default to talking themselves out of even trying. I agree that it is the best content. Aside from Dungeons, its the only content that you learn to do but also teaches you things about yourself and builds confidence. Unfortunately, finding groups hangs on the health and population of the game, which as we know, is flat-lining. Raiding may be nearing impossible for those finally wanting to get their feet wet.

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        • Don't want to have to deal with random people

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          • We're. I ran raids when they were fun. Now they are an advertising piece for content creators. That's my opinion of what became of great game content

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            • Edited by Obelix: 11/8/2025 6:48:50 PM
              I disagree. I hate Raids mechanics. Simple. I don’t mind some dungeons, but the over the top jumping and puzzles mechanics are a real turn off for me. I actually like harder content that test your build and skills, like old GM. But dying because you slipped on a corner ledge or forgot to jump on one leg while standing in a light shooting at the right orb your teammate is calling from another room makes absolutely no sense to me.

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              • I have one buddy I like to play with. Raids are fun, (sometimes) but I often don’t want to chat with six people. When I LFG, someone always has a K mart mic, someone is stoned out of their mind, someone is obnoxious, someone has no clue how to play the game, etc. I would much rather two-man a dungeon or just chill out and rip heads in PVP. I used to be all in, when they released a new dungeon. Lately, much if the content they release is recycled and uninspired, so I am just not as hyped about the wheel of addiction as I used to be, I suppose.

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              • Raids were the best part of Destiny which is a shame because so few interact with them. When they started requiring every single player to do multiple mechanics it became less fun, at least for my Raiding friends and I. This spike in difficulty for just the normal versions of the Raids led to several no longer showing up for Raid night, or just dropping the game altogether. In the end less than half of us were showing up for the event and getting LFG was a real gamble, so usually we ran Dungeons instead, which eventually ended up doing the same. Then along comes Rite of the Nine with it's 3 modes: Explorer, Normal, and Ultimate. That was perfect because you could see the vision where more newer players were able to take on Dungeons than ever before, and they would be able to run Normal or even attempt the highest tier. Though Ultimate felt a bit extra over-tuned and I would have liked to see a 4th mode such as Master, this was leap forward for the game's design and getting players to interact with the endgame. Unfortunately after such great feedback and better player engagement, they didn't keep those modes in the game, and no such mode was introduced for the new Raid, which likely would have seen better numbers. Strange, what having a teachable mode with more lax difficulty does for reaching more players, instead of throwing them to the wolves and letting them figure it out.

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                • Pretty simple here. We are an older clan. When the mechanics are onerous and one mistake is a wipe of the team…you give it a try or two. The other piece is having to strap in for 3-4 hours to learn and do it. It just takes a long time. Unless you’ve got a team you enjoy grinding with….it’s a lot of time locked in when I usually only have weekends when I’m home that I can do it. Beyond that it’s a time commitment issue. By no means am I complaining, it just accounts for why I choose to play shorter content.

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                  • It's always been like that in the franchise. Although more played in d1, raids have always been some of the lowest played activities. People try to blame it on bad loot (not true), complicated mechanics (not true), and anything they can put on bungie. The main reason people don't raid: the community. Let me explain. In the early raids, you could carry people. Yea, 6 would be there, but 3-4 could usually do the mechanics while 2-3 just ad cleared. Which was fine, and the community was more willing/open to raid together and with anyone. First timer? That's fine, we can teach, and at worst, ad clear. Don't talk on the mic? That's fine, just listen. Not using meta? That's fine, just use what you got that does damage. While this was fine, the community also decided to voice the opinion that it wanted raids to be more challenging. They were tired of stand here and shoot, while others ad cleared. Bungie listened, and the raids changed. The change bungie made: everyone had to do something in each encounter. Once they made that change, the community's thoughts on raiding with each other changed. It wasn't as open to raiding with any and everyone. First timer? Nope, don't feel like teaching nor taking longer. No mic? Nope, you got to talk. Not using meta? Nope, cause you gotta be doing the most damage. Only a few clears? Nope, trying to get in and out, need experts. All you have to do was look at lfg group listings for raids before and after the change. Raid groups got nasty. Which is part of the reason why they introduced dungeons.

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                    • Edited by SenXXII: 11/8/2025 7:30:39 PM
                      Because the flow of the game doesn't cause endgame to actually be endgame. It's not required to get the best loot or max level. It's completely optional. It's too long for people but I don't think that it's required to beat a raid in one sitting. There are checkpoints. Revive tokens. This I agree with. Normal raids shouldn't have revive tokens. Mechanics. I think they're easy to learn. But it takes time. Normal raids should have indicators on what to do AND/OR have their mechanics toned down so that they can be done alone and so that they can be match made. Hard mode would need communication and coordination. So just how NORMAL raids are now. For me, I've never had a problem dipping my toes into raiding and realizing it's not that bad once you actually do it. I wish more people would do it so that raiding can BECOME the chill experience they desire. BUT raids have always been part of the genre so I don't know what people were expecting.

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                    • I've barely touched the new one. Just lack of motivation. Tryin to get my gear back in order. Dunno, might be makin excuses at this point.

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                    • Main issue is two fold: Confusing mechanics/impatient players. Ive played every raid but the most recent one and after watching a few videos on it don't even feel like trying it. 🤔 There is 1 raid i will never run again and that is last wish. I LOATH that raid with a passion! xD But hey, that's just my 2 cents.

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                      • Edited by Stalkholm: 11/8/2025 4:39:28 PM
                        I don't raid because I'm an average player, I find the mechanics intimidating, I'm not really down for the time commitment, and I don't want to bring down a team by being its weakest link. I have no doubt whatsoever that the raids are epic, but I play games to chill out and unwind, and I don't see raiding as either chill or unwinding. Like, I find Dungeons frustrating a lot of the time, I don't know how well I'd do in a raid. 😅 This isn't to fault the raids themselves, they are what they are and I get why people love them, I just don't think I'm the right player for them.

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                        • The chance that you get 5 players of good character are slim. What you end up with are toxic narcissists that have no respect for others. I stopped raiding for a long time after RON for that same reason, hopped back in when DP came out and found the player base to be exactly the same. People were legit in there arguing over "stolen" chronos, shooting conflux and lying about it to get other players kicked...hung my raid coat back up after that.

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                          • Loot is cheeks since OG crota Community is more toxic by the year, since 2015 I play now to fill time, not to collect guns that they'll make, or already are, irrelevant.

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