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9/7/2025 3:22:02 PM
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Feedback (rant) on ash and iron preview and twab

Tl;dr The wrong things are getting implemented. The important things are getting ignored. The right things happen way too slow. Bungie, there's one thing you MUST do to earn customers, morale, and most importantly money Simply give CUSTOMERS what they want. Just look at your latest sandbox preview ---- Is there a single thing that ANYONE asked for??? Yeah maybe a thing or 2 but PRIORITIES. I have never ever saw any company who IGNORES THEIR CUSTOMERS' VOICES as badly as bungie. Eat this with the original article alongside. - Hipfire reticle improvements: Nobody asked for it; nobody complained about it, but QoL changes are always welcomed. Not a pain point. - Deterministic recoil: pvp crowds like it? Hate it? Idk i'm not a pvp tryhard but I've not seen a single post asking for it before it was a thing. - pvp sandbox changes: cool. Should have happened EVERY MONTH instead of every season, way too slow. BTW where is the 30th anniversary sandbox which every pvp player has been begging for? And where are the new (old) pvp maps? - Featured weapon expansion: Every post I saw has been asking for EVERY EXOTIC TO BE FEATUERED, or for the whole featured gear system to be completely removed. Instead you jsut have to half--blam!- it and add only 10 weapons and 6 armors. [b]Weapons & Perks:[/b] - Mida multi tool and sturm modernization: Should have happened 2 years ago. It's waaaaay down there on the priority list on everything that should be addressed after EoF's abominable launch. - Tarrabah: Who asked? Who tf is using this thing? You keep saying data-based tuning but when its usage is abyssal ---- you nerf it??? BTW the thing we asked is for the meter not decay after swapping. Make the decay only a thing in pvp if you care about balance. We've been asking for separate sandbox forever. If someone decided to use this trash in pvp, they would spend some time to learn this difference. Nobody f*cking cares except your team who decided to go against player's will time after time. - Hawkmoon: it should never have been an exclusion when you did the lucky pants rework. BTW where's Harbinger Exotic mission and craftable hawkmoon that players who care have been asking for? Where's your priority? - New land beyond: ok cool who asked. - Lord of Wolves: Again who asked for this nerf? Who complained? And it niche, non meta-defining. Fun police behavior. - Grand Overture: Yeah nobody is using it SO LETS NERF ITS RESERVE. Ok I guess good thing for the zero person total who used it for the ad-clear explosion. - Queenbreaker: Ok now you really have some problems with your brain. LFR weapon category TANKED with your repeated nerfs ESPECIALLY with the removal of reserve mods. Now nobody is using Queenbreaker or any LFRs so lets nerf its damage. Please learn how to think in logic. - Exotic primary super regen nerf: who asked. BTW fix Hierarchy of Needs' exotic catalyst timer. And Barrow Dyad is still not currently obtainable. Talking about priorities. - Thunderlord: It's a f*cking exotic. Why? Who hurt you? WHO F*CKING ASKED??? - Whirling Ovation: Consider this weapon DNE. - Burning Ambition and Enhanced Perks: A welcoming direction change about enhanced perks. One thing that I actually like in this note. Credits where it's due. [i][b]Where is horde shuttle on strand warlock?[/b][/i] - Temporal Blast nerf: OK so if you decide to actually balance these you need to make them permanent. I'm so tired of weapon and armor mods leaving every f*king season. The build crafting depth is already so shallow in this game pls. And Where is horde shuttle on strand warlock? [b]Now let's move onto the (ridiculous) armor tuning (I'm about to vomit):[/b] - Stronghold Rework (Nerf): Nobody asked for it. You just have to take this fun thing away from the handful customers that actually enjoyed it. Disgusting. - Cyrtarachne’s Facade: You know who's also struggling for survival? Strand warlock ---- even less way to gain Woven Mail, and we hate healing rift. [i][b]Where is horde shuttle on strand warlock?[/b][/i] - Relativism: You know there's a problem but you still decided to ship it? QC? Hello???? (Oh I forgot you fired them for Pete "Microsoft" Parsons' vintage car collection my bad.) If you need multiple weeks to change 1 number, you are the problem. - Chromatic Fire rework (nerf): Again nobody asked for it. And now you take it's only redeeming quality to make kinetic weapons possibly sinergize with your elemental build. Chromatic Fire without chroma, and without fire. Also [i][b]Where is horde shuttle on strand warlock?[/b][/i] - Contraverse Hold rework (nerf): I don't even have energy to be angry at this point. 1. Nobody is using it with anything other than vortex grenade, ever. Reverse the nerf. 2. Make Chaos Accelerant 3 fragment slot. You know what? The weaken grenade thing should be on the aspect instead of Contraverse Hold if you dont want to give it 3 fragments, solved it. 3. [i][b]Where is horde shuttle on strand warlock?[/b][/i] [b]Abilities[/b] - Gambler's Dodge: This thing's whole existence is another melee charge. Nobody wants to "bring back the gamble"??? - Lightweight knife: No comment I don't play pvp that much. - Woven Mail duration: Seriously what do you want us to do with 6 seconds of DR? There's near to no way to extend it on Warlock. Also [i][b]Where is horde shuttle on strand warlock?[/b][/i] - Stats change: Again, they fired their entire QC department. These bugs should have never been shipped. [b]TWAB[/b] - Portal Reward buff: "You can't just back out of Poland, H**ler. We saw what you did!" ---- Skeletor. Why is Pinnacle power grind shipped in the way it is? Why can you even get tier 1 and 2 loot in the raid in the first place? "A chance" at tier 5 in EPIC RAID is crazy. - Trials Rewards: Why can't you just let us focus whatever we want instead of what you want??? - Armor set perks: Too weak, don't care. - Dungeon Lair: It's an encounter. Call it an encounter. Why don't you ship dungeon loot with tier system with it? If I just want normal loot that I can get everywhere else then I would not play a dungeon encounter that cost significantly more time and effort. You just have to half -blam!- it. - PS Can't imagine when they bring the final encounter of the Titan dungeon into the portal, absolutely the worst piece of content in the entire game. - Epic Raid: That absurd streaming requirement is...just telling on where your priorities are. Unless your belts are made of pure 24K gold labubu dubai chocolate then you absolutly forget it's supposed to be a game. When 70% cheated, not saying cheating is right, you have to think about what YOU did wrong. Also Epic Raid should drop Tier 4 loot minimum. Additional feat bumps it up to Tier 5, and more feat for more loot. Did you forget it's supposed to be the hardest content in the entire game. [b]HALF. BAKED.[/b] - Ash and Iron Trailer: Imagine bringing back the SIVA map without SIVA weapons. Can you be more distorted? Is it just so hard to give players what they want? It's about what WE want not what you want. - Probably not popular my own opinion: We need more vault space. Maybe even less popular: I am willing to pay more for potential server/storage cost. "but you should stop hor----" nuh uh uh stop right there. More vault space is what we are asking for, to improve our experience, and nothing will be changed to your experience. It's the simplest, fastest, and most effective solution to an imminent problem, without compromise. It does not hurt you. The right person needs to actually took at the feedbacks and pass them to the right person. Right now, it's either that nobody is passing these feedbacks, or the feedbacks get passed to the wrong person, or the decision makers are ignoring the feedbacks, or the feedbacks are implemented in a twisted way, or the feedbacks are implemented in an unreasonable timeframe, or the high priority ones are put behind ones that dont matter, or.... I'm jsut rambling, you get the point. This is not what we want. Maybe you don't agree fully, or at all. I'm a paying customer so my opinion should matter, jsut like yours. I love this game, I want it to be better. There is nothing else that can scratch the itch. But whatever is happening right now isn't what should be happening. Please actually hear us, not just pretentiously saying "we are listening". The word "player" sometimes strips too much away from what we actually are ---- "paying customers". We made your livelihood possible. Do better. Also that skeletor video about EoF from Tom Christie is highly recommended. Sums up current community thoughts very well. And it's funny. Lastly, [i][b]Where is horde shuttle on strand warlock?[/b][/i]

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  • Yeah all points been said already in this forum ! Sony isn’t listening they have a plan to make money back and have pushed Bungie out of the way . Paid vault space ….stop …this just enables companies to take the p I s s

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  • Bungie is the band still playing as the Titanic sinks.

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    • Edited by Zoidberg: 9/8/2025 3:45:08 PM
      Good points, but gonna get a downvote for even suggesting paid vault space. It should come with expansions. This isn't a mobile game.

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      • Bungie is essentially in crisis mode. Marathon (which should have been out in Spring of 2025, then Autumn of 2025, now Spring of 2026) is currently on the operating table, needing an entirely new set of skin due to their incompetence and all hands are 'very much on deck' to try and save their dying baby whilst its still in the womb. This would have been 'fine' had their other, actually living, child (Destiny 2) been in a good state. But it has been neglected for a long time, and turning up for Christmas occasionally isn't a good way to live. Bungie essentially [b]can't create new content, because their resources are already fully utilized by trying to 'unfuck' marathon[/b] - this is what all of this has been caused by, rapid expansion, without the means to actually sustain that growth and with essentially zero contingency plan for if it all goes to -blam!-. That's not me excusing Bungie, quite the opposite. The consumer could not care less if "Game development is hard" So is literally any other service, and, if you haven't notice, your consumers are literally telling you [b]"Well we'll just go somewhere else then" - [u]and they are![/u][/b] Their inability to make content due to their failings has put the entire Company into what looks like, from the outside looking in, and unrecoverable tailspin. No amount of 'yanking on the controls' will pull the company out of its collision course with the ground, with Marathon, [b]even after all that work, just as dead as it would have been had it launched [i]now[/i][/b] and Destiny 2 demonstrably dying in-front of everyone for the world to see. The changes that need to be made, unfortunately, needed to have been made, years ago. As it stands now, their reputation is in tatters. 'Gamers' on the whole, won't touch them with a barge pole. They're losing players by the day, at rates even faster than 'The Final Shape' and their 'hail mary', only succeeded in tanking their reptuation further with, yet more, stolen art. [b]All of the solutions put forth are required, but I honestly don't think people are fathoming just how 'on the knife edge' Bungie actually is - within 5 weeks of DLC launch it was on a 30% discount, Platform wide. In just the last TWAB, Bungie notes there is a further 30% off for [u]Year of Prophecy[/u][/b]. They simply aren't able to 'make things'. However, [b]the least they could do is leave what shell remains alone - I'd have rather have kept the game as it was in Heresy, at least you'd still see me turn up as opposed to uninstalling.[/b]

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        • seems like a tantrum honestly the usual on the forum

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          • I would love to see this game where Bungie only changed things people asked for lol

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          • Tbh, you basically didn’t include what you actually want Bungie to do instead… (outside of buffing strand warlock) 99% of this just reads like you watched a couple of Aztecross videos. Most of the changes are fine and in the direction we want. The weapons they’re nerfing make general sense as they’re by far the best in slot. Most of the changes is Bungie walking back problematic changes without wanting to just scrap what the team likely spent months working on.

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          • Too long, didn't read!!! I can see the passion in this post though, may it not be wasted!!!

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          • Edited by Obelix: 9/8/2025 1:20:32 AM
            Well said, I agree. There better be a light saber under everyone ‘s Christmas tree Bungie or that stuff won’t last. And Please for the love of god PLAY YOUR GAME instead of piloting using Excel charts.

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          • Bungle Studios is massively out of touch with their fan base. At this point it’s very apparent that Bungle is making decisions to actively make this game unplayable. Instead of fixing underused exotic weapons and armors, they’re nerfing the ones that do work. Instead of driving the players to play together, they’re driving players to play Solo. Instead of making new expansive content that has open world feel where you’d run into other guardians, we got a small expansion that is simply not fun IMO. Instead of focusing on creating more new content they just recycle old. And this whole Star Wars thing… sellouts! From the leadership down to the devs, Bungle studios is a JOKE. There is a massive “skill issue” at that studio and the choices we see them making reflect that.

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          • Completely agree with everything you said fella. I just can't help but think it's a waste of time saying anything because all they do is balls it up.

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          • Where is horde shuttle on strand warlock indeed... We will never get it. Like you said.. like were all continuing to see. They don't care. They are doing all they can for Sony to take full control.

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          • I agree with everything. But I wanted to cheer you up. And mock Bungie. First off:- “You do know… what company…we’re talking about here?” Skeletor. My friends and I repeatedly quote this every single time one of us asks why some stupid decision makes it into the game. 🤣

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            • Have to say enjoyed reading that, the odd thing I didn’t agree with, but 95% with you on it , hardly matters as I’m sure they’ll find some more enjoyable things and stick the knife into it

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            • Take my up vote my expectations are low

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            • Read the whole thing and to keep it short I’ll just say Bravo 👏 100% well done. Upvote this post

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            • Bungie doesn’t seem to understand that we are paying THEM. It is all about what we want not what they want. But when incompetence leads what can we expect? Still chewing through feedback for the past 11 years DMG! Good job just as tone deaf as ever.

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              • You want to hear a prediction? They're going to treat the Plaguelands like they did when they "brought back" Mars and Titan. No Patrol Area, Strikes, or Crucible Maps. Just do whatever Seasonal Activity there is, and forget that it's even in the game. Watch.

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                • They are deliberately trying to run the game down. Can be the only explanation. Eventually all the destinations will be removed as there is no reason to go to any of them. Then it will just be the portal and portal activities.

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                • Send it to the right person? I don't think that there is a right person. There appear to be a lot of wrong persons running Bungle right now. Obviously they rule by statistic and graphs and not by what their customers want. The graph shows that Thunderlord is fun and therefore being used. Must nerf!! I didn't like Siva when it first game out, so whoopee it's back . . .

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                • Bungie is going to be fully disbanded by Sony towards the end of the year.

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                • I've never seen this forum agree on anything in the replies so to see this happen is a rarity.

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                • Edited by Nerd_Herd: 9/8/2025 4:19:41 PM
                  "[b]Where is horde shuttle on Strand Warlock?[/b]" As a necrotic grips / thorn Warlock, I feel this pain evertime I log on lmao.

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                • Can this community confirm that in writing that the said video really does sum up their thoughts?

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                • In regards to the deterministic recoil, it was a complaint in pvp when you had a gun with say 95 or 100 recoil and your gun shot noticeably to the left/right. Deterministic recoil was bungie way of addressing this. But in typical bungie fashion, they implemented it in the most back asswards way. All people wanted was for their guns' recoil to reflect what the stat said. Instead bungie decided to exacerbate the problem by making the recoil pattern "predictable." Now regardless of the recoil stat, your gun will bounce in any direction. The stat says 70 and the graph shows it will bounce to the left. But in game the gun will recoil to the left for the first 5 bullets then decide the next 8 are to the right.

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