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Edited by Coal:
9/4/2025 6:20:39 AM
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The sandbox changes are extremely tone deaf
The main thing that stuck out to me was the nerf to thunder lord.
First of all, thunder lord is not overpowered or an outlier to begin with. The DP contest was the first time it was seriously used in end game content in years. You know why that was? Because of the ammo economy. It was the only weapon in the entire game that was able to combat your damage sponge bosses.
Don’t get it twisted, it wasn’t used by everyone because it’s OP, it was used by everyone because it was quite literally the ONLY option. It was impossible with any other weapon.
You guys seem to have a really hard time differentiating between high usage of a weapon because it is too good, and high usage of a weapon because everything else is so bad.
The thunder lord nerf will make it completely unviable for the upcoming contest.
Next, Lord of Wolves.
Another weapon that was necessary for every team to clear DP contest - NOT because it’s too good, but because there was no other option. This is the exact same deal as thunder lord. Instead of nerfing the only thing that allowed people to just BARELY clear DP contest, maybe you should add other options.
Next, Grand overture.
This nerf came out of nowhere. Not only was no one using this for ANYTHING - the last time it was seriously used was during contest sundered for Zoetic Lockset because YOU guys released the dungeon BUGGED where the boss would not take crit damage.
Additionally, just like Thunderlord, grand overture is primarily used due to its good ammo economy. Its damage is nothing special, and it only ever sees usage in long damage phases. Nerfing its ammo economy renders it useless, since that’s the only reason people use it.
Next, Queenbreakers
Yet again, a nerf that makes no sense. It was only good last season because of particle deconstruction. Now, it doesn’t even get close to topping the charts for damage. Even on the off chance that any team was considering using QBs for DP epic contest, any consideration is now gone.
These changes are oddly reminiscent of you guys nerfing solo ops… you guys nerfed the one activity we found was the most efficient to level, instead of buffing loot in other activities.
You guys make it more and more clear every day that you are no longer a group of devs who make games that YOU want to play. I doubt even 1% of you play your own game regularly. I doubt even a single person at Bungie is in tune with the sandbox at all. Your downfall has been quite the thing to watch.
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As a Warlock, I want to chime in and say that the buffs look pretty good, I'm a big fan of the buffs! But the nerfs sort of sap a lot of my interest, because how long until those buffs get rolled back anyway? It feels sort of like regular gamers are being punished for the gameplay of streamers. Streamers used Thunderlord in DP, so regular gamers are getting their Thunderlords nerfed; Streamers talked about how powerful Flechette Storm was this season, so Flechette Storm got nerfed; Streamers complained (understandably) about running Solo Ops in a loop, so Solo Ops (almost) got nerfed. Getting excited about Ash and Iron was already kind of hard just due to the possible pending gear reset, and there was nothing in those Sandbox changes to up my excitement level. Featured Gear is staying in the game, there's been no mention of changes to the economy, no mention of changes to leveling speed, it feels like player pain points aren't being addressed, instead we're getting nerfs to Strongholds. I worry about the decision making process at Bungie right now. Who was asking for Matterspark, or Featured Gear, or Not-Swap? They feel like an attempt at load-bearing inefficiencies, like they're a way to shoehorn us into playing the game a certain way, and it was the freedom that brought be to Destiny 2 in the first place, the build crafting, the hero moments, we're losing some of that. It's not the nerfs themselves that bother me, it's the thinking that led to them, it's the feeling that Bungie thinks we're playing the game the wrong way.
