Slug, Rapid Fire, and Aggressive Shotguns are actually pretty solid in PvE across the board. Their DPS are higher than most specials (as they should because of the inherent danger) It’s more that Rocket Sidearms are just that strong… They blow shotguns out of the water with comparable damage but with significantly more safety. My thought - Rocket Sidearms need to pick up less ammo per brick. - Shotguns need an additional damage drop off buff like they got in Revenant. - Fusions and Snipers need reserve ammo buffs. - Lightweight GLs need blast radius buffs - Traces need either 200 more reserve ammo or 20% more damage.

Aren’t slugs still good?

[quote]Shotguns in pve has been neglected for so long and all that it is good for now is just for one two punch builds. It did look like you tried to make them more viable when you added Chain reaction to them, but it wasn't enough. Even worse is that you nerfed Chain reaction just because you wanted to add it to more weapons. Similar is the destabilizing rounds that causes void explosions. This one is much better than chain. A simple damage buff is all that Shotguns need.[/quote] Disagree, they need more of a range bump in pve, I know they got one in revenant but it needs more to even be viable. For some reason bungie hates when you’re close to a mob or boss which is why boss stomps are a thing and artificial difficulty is as well

easy fix : double their ammo reserves as somebody who often uses shotguns in pve, its the only special weapon type that basically forces you to use 1 bullet per ennemy (and often more than one) while i can use a fusion to clear multiple ennemies in one shot, same for glaunchers (and lets not talk about the ammo economy of rocket sidearms and trace riffles) only snipers have the same issue, but they are another problem pve wise tbh (and yes ik about combos like discord + destabilizing rounds, but it doesnt solve the shotgun problem)

The problem with shotguns in pve is they are just insanely ammo inefficient. A shotgun like sudden death with discord and redirection feels great because it has infinite ammo with a damage perk. Other pellet shotguns just have too little damage and ammo to be worth your special ammo

Perfect paradox trench on snap warlock Unvoiced redirection and bait ( slug but absolutely crazy dps ) Heritage with recombination ( slug but still an excellent shotgun in pve ) Edit: forgot, ikelos grave robber trench : Lord of wolves 4th horseman Legend of acrius Tractor cannon Choir of one hipfire an auto but basically a shot gun All strongly disagree Not saying buffed things aren't nice but shotguns are low key the current meta

I don't usually use them in pve, because they can get you killed, and not even in high difficulty content, mind you, having to come so close to a powerful target, or while surrounded, is simply asking for death. Their effective range, and unpredictable spread pattern, is the reasons I do not use them, fusion rifles, or rocket assisted firearms, are better, also they are slow to reload, have terrible ammo economy, and have few rounds in the magazine.