I’ve been playing Destiny 2 for about a year now. I played D1 back in the day, so I’m not completely new — but getting decent gear as a solo player has been brutally difficult. The game does a terrible job onboarding new players. I’ve had to Google what to do at almost every step, and in 2025, the fact that most endgame content still lacks matchmaking is ridiculous. Worse, you’re forced to rely on LFG, where you often end up waiting for hours just to find someone kind enough to help. And even then, finding groups that include “teaching” tags is rare. As a New Light, most veteran players don’t want to run content with you — and honestly, I don’t blame them. The game is extremely gear-dependent, and if your loadout isn’t meta, your ability to contribute is basically nonexistent. That’s a brutal setup for anyone trying to break into the endgame on their own. Now after months of grinding and FINALLY getting solid gear, I’m now hearing that Edge of Fate will reset everything. If that’s true — and all our hard-earned gear becomes useless — I’m done. I won’t support this game anymore. At this point, it feels like Bungie cares more about maximizing monetization than respecting player time. The game costs over $300 just to unlock everything, and then you’re expected to grind for god rolls over months or years. That’s not content — that’s exploitation. Eververse is just as bad. After a whole year, I’ve barely gotten any decent cosmetics with Bright Dust. I’m stuck flying around with a busted ship while longtime players have all the best gear, glows, and armor sets. Destiny 2 has insane potential. But it’s being smothered by lazy design, recycled content, and a pricing model that feels like a mobile game. Bungie — please do better.

[Disclaimer I know I wrote a lot but this topic it's very heavy because you're talking about the change of Destiny 2 basically they're rebooting the entire game. Bungie could had sold edge of fate as D3 if they wanted to! ] Uncertain Future only time will tell.  Yeah like I played a lot of games in the past I played outriders cyberpunk and I can tell you what Bungie is doing here I seen a lot of companies do it it's experimentation they're trying to change up their product to see how it plays out.  Most likely Bungie finds Destiny very boring and they want to change it; they want to mix things up they want to increase the grind they want to add new systems/ tiers, so players have a reason to play more and so it's a new experience.  As Datto and Fallout said who got Early Access that Bungie said to them in an interview that Bungie wants to see how edge of Fate plays out and they are willing to make changes if the majority of the community and streamers believe that certain things need to be tuned. Same streamer said that they are worried about the material economy that will players be able to get enough enhancement cores to level up their favorite gear to level 200 because once you get past 200 you have to acquire the new resource called unstable core and you can get it buy dismantling tier gear, but they are very confused if it's going to be a guaranteed dismantle or if you have to dismantle multiple gear to get one core.  I attached a video back up what I am saying  watch the full video because what he says towards the end he explains that Bungie has stated that they believe even players who grind non-stop will not be able to reach 450 Power by the end of the season. Basically the way they said this they made it seem like they wanted the grind to be harder and not easy. https://youtu.be/-lEBcOlNjsk?si=U9MzZg0jvuklHbW0 There was even people had Early Access who explain that when you're trying to go for an A score which is the highest score you can get where you do have the ability to get tier 5 rewards if you go below an A score you will get rewards lower than tier 5. Simply this means that you would possibly have to grind the same Mission over and over in order to make sure you get the highest score you can possibly get to get the best rewards that you're trying to acquire such as tier 5. Players don't understand this system is co op focused similar to co op focused story missions in the pale heart. Solo players can do it but if your team is dysfunctional you need to consider to leave the group and find a different group teamwork is key for tier rewards. Similar to outriders expedition must be fast but also effective work together.  https://youtu.be/KWv3nSm_mEM?si=y3fsiChIlMYkimso 20:50  I know a lot of the streamers who had Early Access for edge of Fate they are very concerned with the puzzles for the campaign they explained that they're very complex for the average player. Ex in the first mission it took them like an hour or two for them just to figure out the main puzzle to proceed further into the mission they believe it needs to be tune down.  https://youtu.be/-lEBcOlNjsk?si=U9MzZg0jvuklHbW0  3:50

I can tell you this if you play outriders you should know that basically the new system we are getting for edge of Fate it's the same system that you have armor sets that you have stats sets. ex building crafting you gotta focused on getting identical stat bonuses. if you like that Edge of Fate is for you if you don't you will hate edge of Fate. Clearly the grind is not the factor the issue is will you enjoy tiers and if you can handle it.

I know I can handle it because I platinum outriders I enjoy games like this where you have to have different tiers and you have to grind for certain armor sets or certain gear stats to have the best optimized build; these games are really fun because you have more build diversity you're able to become more stronger over time. However let's just hope when edge of Fate drops that Bungie is not going to Nerf tier weapons like crazy for the sake of PVP which we know could logically happen. Honestly if this happens then yeah these changes are going to be a disaster. Bungie has to decide what's more maintain balance for pvp that no one care about or making destiny pve the best it can be so they can keep players active. Face it destiny would be better off without PVP; pvp just brings in more toxic players who zero social skills and more cheaters.

Bungie's biggest problem is that they never try to get their priorities straight they want to juggle everything all together but they don't understand you have to decide what is more important. They need to what is best for the community not for a few streamers or do things to make a few active pvp players satisfied. bungie always wants praise from the wrong people who doesn't care about bungie nor the community/game. i seen players like this all over other games they sadist and sociopaths. These kind of players are the ones responsible for the failure of the community for active games like outriders and Anthem there was plans for Anthem 2.0 for PlayStation 5 which never happened because everybody left the game because of these kind of sadist players who only want the game to benefit them and they want to basically give the middle finger to the 80% of the other players. Most importantly if you look at the videos for Anthem 2.0 it is identical to the weapon tierrs for edge of fate. Except it was a revamp of the gear score in anthem.

These changes that are coming…I think making this game a lot like other similar games instead of continuing to separate itself from them is a major mistake that is going to backfire. This doesn’t feel like a Bungie move. This feels like a corporate move.

Bungie failed already. They had several waves of layoffs. The creative team was shifted directly to Sony to work on their IP's, and they lost their autonomy also to them. They are being sued right now for copyright infringement and can't even defend themselves because the subject of matter is in their content vault. And this isn't the only case. Pride comes before fall. Today, looking back, I think Bungie was often unfair and had no foresightedness. I'm not one being glad about the downfall of this company, and I'm sorry for Destiny 2 and those developers who put their hearts into it. But it's obvious that a few had their own agenda.

Yes, I'm excited... for Bungies future. Sony will absorb them and either rebrand or purge their name completely. Bungie brought this on themselves after 10 years of regularly exploiting & abusing their customers. I'm not excited for Destiny's future unless and until Sony announces a Destiny 3 from a competent trustworthy developer.

intransigent Refusing to moderate a position, especially an extreme position; uncompromising. Refusing compromise; uncompromising; inflexible; irreconcilable. I've never seen a company whose leadership is so dead set against ignoring plainly popular and vocal feedback...not until bungie.

I'm super excited, but not for the reasons you might think. 😲🍿🔥🚢

knowing bungies track record over the past couple years. l would highly advise playing free version for at least a few weeks or so. and follow trusted reviews . bottom line ,there changing a lot of things so a lot could go wrong including not liking the game anymore.

[quote]1, [b](Re)Grinding[/b] - Think a big reason why many players don't enjoy grinding anymore is because the game loop has been very stale & predictable for years on end from a macro perspective - if the game doesn't considerably update itself on a semi-regular basis, people get bored/tired of the same old same old and move onto the new freshness somewhere else... 2, [b]Serving the Audience/Quality of Content/Management[/b] - Reality is, Destiny doesn't cater it's audience, it has previously tried to extract the most from the least possible resources, relying on gimmicks and cheap burn content on average - seasons/episodes are at a very poor quality and the team isn't agile enough to shift development at a fast enough pace due to poor management, institutional bloat and a of lack of overarching vision. I like Tyson Green and think their vision for the game is what's been needed for a long time, If this can be executed and at a pace that can retain/grow players remains to be seen. 3, [b]PR & Trust[/b] - As much as I like Destiny 2 for some things, Bungie has destroyed a significant part of their own fanbase. Goodwill and trust is sorely lacking, to the point many want to see Bungie fail due to the volume of their mistakes & perceived arrogance - Bungie is not a likeable company, as much as some might think this doesn't matter, it often has a large impact on overall game sales and marketing.[/quote]