I do somewhat agree. For me, Leviathan felt fine and was basically built around rez tokens so it was fine with that inclusion. However, looking at current raids like the returned D1 raids and some of the terrible changes they made or Salvation's Edge, those were seemingly not built with the rez tokens in mind. Hell, it feels like they don't think about their own systems in the game. Just look at Well right now. Game's balanced around Forsaken Well, and yet Bungie nerfs, and nerfs, and nerfs, yet they made the game to the point Well is forced onto Warlocks 90% of the time. On top of that, there is the fact you are forced to wipe if you don't revive people. That shouldn't be a forced system. If the players think they need to reset, let them. I mean the timer doesn't even reset when you revive someone so if you get really unlucky, one more death and it is an instant wipe.

Aggreed

Agreed, i wouldnt be opposed to normal raids returning to 30 second revive timers

Way too many people want handouts because they refuse to do the bare minimum. This game is so incredibly easy, even for me whose hands straight up don’t listen to me. There’s very very little content in this game that requires you to actually be even halfway decent at the game.

A lot of people seem to think this is a problem for casual players. Uhh hot take, the casual player isn't engaging in this kind of endgame content.

I do sherpas often, as well as just raid in general, and I'm going to have to respectfully state that you and I are of differing opinions on this topic. Regardless, still appreciate you sharing your opinion. Eyes up.

[quote]Full disclosure. In Destiny 1, players had unlimited revives aside from "enrage" mechanic on base difficulty. Hard modes had none. Much more accessible as it facilitated learning the experience.[/quote] That was then. This is now. If people can't do it, that's on them. I'm terrible at this game and I still manage, so if you can't then raiding might not be for you.

Well, bungie could add back the 30 sec revive timer from D1 instead of using revive tokens. However, people don't seem to remember how lethal 30 secs of downtime was. The only class that could circumvent this was Fire Born Warlocks aka self res. I personally think revive tokens are more noob friendly. That's just me though. Oh, remember perma death on hard mod, you want perma death instead? Death during raids should always heavily punish the player/team for bad gameplay and poor gear choice/loadout choice. Also, a lot of people in this community seem to forget that it's ok to fail. You don't get better unless you fail first. Failure is the path to success. The biggest issue with most D2 players is they don't learn from their mistakes, they just making the same ones over and over again. However, if you actually learn and are persistent, good things come to those who wait. Patience is a virtue. Most people have forgotten that though.

Rather than unlimited it should be 2-3 per person if you want it to be easy