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6/8/2025 8:59:49 PM
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Tiered gear system will shut out normal players
I truly believe this will be it for the majority of players. Most people play D2 for the experience. The gear system that is being explained will only create even more elitism than currently exists in D2. Streamers have won completely. If the current ultimatum difficulty has shown, adepts and higher tiered weapons and armor will give the elite a constant advantage. When that happens I typically stop playing the game slowly. There's no point trying to overcome that wall.
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Very true. It is true because if you look at this video and you look at the correct time stamp 20 minutes and 50 seconds. You can see what happened they did an activity The Whisper exotic Mission it was supposed to be done within 15 minutes when you complete it in the allowed time you get a letter score. Ex if you score the correct score which was an A score you get the highest tier rewards you can possibly get if you score below an A score like showed in the video it will decrease your tier rewards. Simply means either you have to have a good team or you have to solo the mission if you desire, but with the highest modifiers attached to its same thing applies to teams that you have to activate all the hardest modifiers in order to get the best possible reward. Favorite for no lifers harscore speed runners players most players won't be able to handle it nor understand it. https://youtu.be/KWv3nSm_mEM?si=y3fsiChIlMYkimso 20:50 there's even talk for Early Access that streamer said that the puzzles for the campaign was so complex that they even believe that most players would not be able to handle it because they even got lost that Bungie had to tap on their shoulder just to tell them that you're going too far in the mission that you need to turn around. https://youtu.be/-lEBcOlNjsk?si=U9MzZg0jvuklHbW0 3:50
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1 ReplyNo the game needs stuff like this, all the casuals who can’t read/grind can go back to cod/fortnite
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6 RepliesYou can play at the shallow end of the kiddie pool XD (just kidding) I have not been able to pull off the super hard content myself, while I believe I can pull it off, people at that level, will simply not give you much of a chance, if you don't absolutely steamroll over the ads, they just quit on you, and it's too much work for me, and not very enjoyable. What I am trying to say is, if you are not running with that crowd already, then nothing will change for you.
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Yeah I’m not really into running SUPER hard PVE content just to get better weapons for PVP...
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Edited by Duke: 6/9/2025 5:33:35 PMIt's always fun to me when people just throw out their* opinion of what most people do/want/say.
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3 RepliesYou do realize almost all enhanced perks make no discernible difference in gameplay. I HIGHLY doubt an enhanced mag, barrel or origin trait will immediately make all other weapons obsolete. Everyone is being dramatic because the new ultra elite tier 5 weapons have more yellow arrows pointing up than the other guns.
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5 RepliesClassic grr streamers brainless post. You play harder content to get better rewards to play harder content. If you’re playing strikes and patrol then you don’t need the top tier rewards. This is the same in any game.
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EoF has already shut out this player. As in I have shut the door with a large house rattling slamming!
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Destiny hasn't been easier - raids, normal mode can literally be completed with wallmart meta knock offs - grandmasters although tough, you don't need pure meta builds - strikes, self explanatory Edge of fate will be like that and frankly, the highest tier of weapon called adepts currently drop from master raids which most people don't participate in. A tier 5 weapon can drop from custom modifiers making it one of the most custom tuned experiences
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How is tiering locking out players? The activities will likely be the same with the only difference being difficulty. Play casually get tier 1-3 loot. Play dedicated get tier 3/4 and no life to get 4/5
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These are gonna be the growing pains of shifting away from the hyper casual audience this game has fostered over the past several years.
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91 RepliesRight now you basically have to watch streamers content to overcome the hardest content. You can't go into hard content with just any build unless of course you're a Titan. Look at LFG as an example. Titan only is the most popular post if the post asks for a class. Second is Warlock, but not for anything other than a Fireteam needs a well. I think that it's garbage that you need to adopt someone else's build to tackle any content in a game. It's boring. With tiered gear this will only get worse.
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no? normal players will get the tier 3 ( with more time tier 4 since you can overlevel again for the info we have now) with 0 problems, and remember tier 3 is better loot compared to the current adept loot so normal players is getting better loot not worse And can we stop calling normal and casuals players trash players?
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Cool that you believe that but that doesn’t mean it’s true. I’m a ‘normal’ player and love the idea of the changes. Finally a reason for the grind.
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MPgamer1220Looking to adopt a cosmic cat from Xur! - old
It’s going to be a big change and most of us aren’t ready, and I know won’t be when this hits. I already pre-ordered the ultimate edition so I’ll just have to sit back to see if it was a mistake or not. -
They certainly seem intent on alienating the majority of the playerbase… casuals do not like these changes… the elitist addicts do… sadly there are not enough of them to keep game alive
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1 ReplyGotta keep them whales fed.
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Regardless of all that, it’s just more stuff you need to grind. They can’t come up with anything anymore. It’s like gilding. Here’s something you have done already but you need to do it again. It’s the laziest way to go forward at this point.
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and so is the input cheating meta in pvp.
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OP: ✅ I like Destiny. I started out as wingman to my (then) young son, as a T on his a/c around Xmas 2014. Some time later, he went away to school, so I got myself a ps4 and started my Destiny journey. Later, I bounced after the sunset debacle…over to WF, where I had a ‘whale’ of a time! (MR 24 😎) The vibe back then was very different to what it is these days…sadly! 🤔 Back then, we played everything as teams of m8s from all over the world, depending on time zones. Mostly, it was a hoot! Get the blue flambé hairdo, hit the raid, NF, Trials - to see if my little group got to level 3 / 5 or rarely / never to 7! And thence to 😴 That was then. Once I returned to Destiny’s shores, I changed the way I would engage with the game, ie, I’d play the way I want to… I use vanilla builds and do mostly vanilla stuff. I have an empty Friends List - not because I’m antisocial or anything, it’s just that the vibe’s not the same as it was, way back. I still meet many great Guardians out and about. I get to play with some real ninjas in Trials…along with a greater number of the SUS Brigade! 🤫 I’m a really casual ‘Casual’ who enjoys the simple vanilla Destiny stuff…the amazing environments, and shooting stuff! IMHO: despite some rather disparaging remarks towards us ‘Casuals’ - without us, Destiny would not be around today. Nor would the revamped Trials. Fact! 👈 I’m a longtime 0.3% old tortoise who grinds Trials for the odd piece of gear, and any new toys as they become available. I’ve been grinding Trials since way back…I even raffled my only visit to the lighthouse. My vault has nearly all of them! Just imagine how easy that was for a 0.3% old tortoise to do?! 🤔 It wasn’t. The new Trials system is okay. I go to the lighthouse every time now…but get overloaded with shardable stuff because getting a consistent win streak is still above slow reaction times and my arthritic thumbs! 😂 Although, lag / latency and the SUS Brigade are also contributory factors. 👈👈 The argument - ‘why do they (Casuals) need / demand adept toys?’ The answer: they don’t! All we’ve ever wanted was a fair fight against players at / around / slightly above, our own level, eg, Div IV (like me 👻) vs other Div IV players…and NOT stacked ninja stomper squads🤡🤡🤡, who squealed the loudest for Trials never to evolve or change. Some of the a/m 🤡 managed to run a nice little paid carry bizness, too! Well, the Casual element refused to play Trials…and it died not once, but thrice! ❌❌❌ It was a good move on BHQs part to revamp Trials, to what it is currently…, though, Div IV players - like me, can only get the base stuff…and no ships / ghost / sparrows / emblems. 🫤 FWIW: I know the obvious difference between a top player from a SUS player. I’ve had the good fortune to be the carry on a team of 2 + me…and to see these great players go to work on the 3x SUS team is a hoot! 🫠 Top players don’t need the bestest toys to win…they’re that good. A better reward for them is to appear on my oft suggested Wall of Fame…with laurels and emblems to match! The SUS Brigade need to be weeded out. Period. Moving on… There’s a lot of passionate Guardians from all sides of every ‘argument’ on these Forums, and many more who stay in the shadows, or simply stay away. This is a feedback forum…for important feedback for the devs to sift and sort, as required. Wisdom: If you’ve got nothing nice to say, then - say nothing! 👌 Play Nice! Play Fair! Don’t be a Quitter! 🫠 That is all. Ease Springs! 🫡
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Normal player here - looking forward to the changes. Bungie has a proven track record of tuning if needed.
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But why should the average player have the best loot easily?
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16 Replies[quote]I truly believe this will be it for the majority of players. [/quote] Casual players aren't the majority. [quote]Most people play D2 for the experience.[/quote] And the experience isn't to just sit there and do f*ck all and be rewarded for it. Either do what's required to get something or don't cry when you don't. It's really that simple. [quote] The gear system that is being explained will only create even more elitism than currently exists in D2.[/quote] Doing harder content to get better gear than the players you just run around patrol zones isn't elitism. Demanding you get things for doing nothing is, though. I mean, imagine thinking anyone cares such about the no thumbs, blueberry patch patrol zone only players. If you can't do what's required to get something, then either get better or live with it. [quote] Streamers have won completely. [/quote] Streamers also don't make up the majority. They do, however, overlap with the actual majority who don't want the game to be a group hand holding simulator just because a small few refuse to play what's required or are incapable of doing what's required. [quote]If the current ultimatum difficulty has shown, adepts and higher tiered weapons and armor will give the elite a constant advantage.[/quote] Well, adepts aren't a thing when the dlc comes out of that's irrelevant and the higher tiered gear is available to everyone, so the only disadvantage anyone will ever have is the ones they give themselves by not doing what rewards the best gear. [quote] When that happens I typically stop playing the game slowly. There's no point trying to overcome that wall.[/quote] Ok bye. Is anyone supposed to care that you're incapable or refusing to do things to get the best gear? It's funny how you use a wall in this context. It gets even better when you realize that the wall has a door just to your right that's sitting wide open, waiting to be walked through. Just because you're won't step through it doesn't make it not exist.
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Just go for T3 or T4 and you'll be fine. In the current game you don't need adepts to clear harder content and in the new system you won't need T5 in fact it might be a more efficient use of time to go for T3s if you have a solid team. Oh and just ignore the sweaty elitist players who will say T5 everything with perfect everything and bla bla bla.
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7 RepliesYeah, that was kind of my concern as well. Despite what the elitist no-lifes on the forums want to believe, casual players DO make up the majority of Destiny's playerbase, or at least they used to when it was at its peak, and depending on how bad the lower tiers of gear are, I'm pretty concerned that it may drive them away from Destiny, or reduce the number of casuals able to join us in endgame content even further. Heck, if being able to put together a decent functioning build at all requires me to grind a ton of hard endgame content, I might not have the motivation for that either, especially if I'm gonna have to do it with a bad build in the beginning.
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19 RepliesWHY are people who are so bad at this game always so concerned with getting the best of the best weapons? I’ve never understood why people who can’t even go flawless wanted adept weapons so badly. If you’re not good enough to go flawless odds are a couple extra stat points won’t make a difference for you. People saying that this system will shut out casual players don’t make sense to me because why would a casual player NEED a weapon with enhanced barrels and mags?
