Again, "better" from your standpoint. From your posts it seems you'd prefer them for crucible, which is fine. I don't care which is better based on your personal criteria, I care which is worth using and still fun to use. For me if it's only statistically better then it isn't worth my time. Similar to using MIDA/Uriel's Gift. Sure, they're statistically "better" than other loadouts, but they aren't fun for me to use. I prefer Manannan and a HC or SMG or autorifle.