Just another below average complaint from a below average player.. Shotguns in battlefield 1 are good and realistic, not because it's better than destiny, but because it's a battlefield game. If you had ever played a battlefield game before, you'd know this. Destiny is in a broken state, but when maps are such a small circle jerk of shotguns with 1,000 range like in battlefield, that's when it's no fun to play. If the maps in destiny were the of the same scale as battlefield, then there would be no issue with shotguns as they were in year one. Battlefield 1 also has revolvers that can 2 shot without a single head shot, but Thorn? I don't see you making the case that Thorn needs a huge buff. I'd also like to argue that a god sniper with a revolver secondary almost cannot be stopped in battlefield 1, except with a behemoth or via a good bombing/mortar. In Destiny, I would argue it's almost the same. Not everyone with any super can counter a good sniper (like battlefield), but a fist of havoc or a storm trance (OP) could probably do the job, if done right. I'm not saying Destiny doesn't have a ton of problems, but I don't think you can seriously say battlefield 1 is the end all be all for game balance, cause that SMG that you get at mastery rank 10 on assault is outrageously OP.