I agree with some of what you say. I do like Destiny's gun play and combat mechanics A LOT better. I can't tell you how many times I've died in the Division due to getting stuck on a crack, or the cover button not working. Having said that, I haven't touched Destiny since the Division dropped, I am Definitely in the end game and find it surprisingly more diverse than grinding the same four strikes or running KF three times a week. The Crucible is MUCH closer to COD than the Dark Zone imo, and therefore not an option for me. But all of this aside, my original point is that both of these games ARE MMO's. Neither are as fleshed out as say WoW or FFXIV, but they are definitely MMOs.