You guys need to keep the game worth grinding for. Year one was a pain in the ass struggle but it was worth playing. It took forever to level up but, making it to endgame content (VOG hard mode) was worth it. It took continuous grinding to get the best guns but it was worth it. I didn't feel the same excitement finishing Oryx as I did finishing Atheon. I hated the struggle of completing the thorn bounty but I loved being able to say that I completed it (3 times). Man, was the Vault tough, and aggravating, and glitchy as could be but, I loved walking around with the Mythoclast to show off that I had it. I spent a lot of time acquiring the skills and fire team to complete year 1 content. I defeated Skolas and chose the Queenbreakers Bow the day before the "moments of triumph" deadline. I loved that gun for the short time it was relevant. What good is anything I grinded for in year 1? None, it's all totally irrelevant. What is there worth grinding for in year 2? Nothing, nothing is better than anything else. I haven't been hit with anything in year 2 that made me want to grind for it. I hated being hit with Thorn, Gjallarhorn, Ice Breaker and Vex Mythoclast but those guns are what I grinded for. They are why I continued to play. When they became irrelevant and weren't replaced with anything more relevant, I stopped playing. I sign on here and there hoping for that spark to reignite but it doesn't and I log back off and play another game. Yes, people cried "nerf, nerf, it's op!!!" but I feel they should not have been listened to. You should have made a new round of op guns, and another and another. It gives people things worth playing for. Keep everything relevant, keep year one content fresh year after year. Year one was very aggravating but worth playing. Year 2 is bland, watered down, nothing spectacular. Let the babies cry about op, if you look at my stats, you'll see I didn't use my op guns much. I liked the satisfaction of having them and the satisfaction of taking down the people that used them but I didn't use them as a crutch and I didn't cry about the people who did. I understood that people had to work hard for guns in year one and deserved to enjoy them. I think nerfing and balancing is the opposite of what should have been done. Keep those amazing year one guns worth having. Don't throw away the things people spent hundreds of hours to get. Year one you said, "look at these amazing guns that you might get if you complete this activity a countless number of times". Year two you said, "remember those amazing guns we made you grind countless hours for? Guess what, they're junk now. You know what's even better? We're not giving you anything amazing to replace them with. In fact, we're gonna make everything equally unimportant. This way, after you grind hour after hour in year two, there will be no sense of satisfaction for all the grinding you just did." Yes, new content is good but, it's only as good as the rewards you play it for. Bring back op, F the crybabies. I'm no elitist (my k/d is probably below 1.0) but I agree with those that say "git gud skrub". Suck it up, people grinded FOR op guns, let them enjoy them. To this day VOG is my favorite activity but there's no rewards anymore, just outdated gear. Yes, year one needed fixing but not in the direction you all took it. Most (95%) of my xbox friends list was made from playing destiny. Now, only 5% of my list plays destiny. Think about it, you're doing something wrong. You're headed in the wrong direction. People complained in year one but, at least they still played.