1. I didnt google it myself but i figured itd be common knowledge by now, pretty sure my jolders will beat your btrd any day. Vanilla weapons dont have reforge, but they have perks you cant get, my SUPREMECY is a good example. 2. YES there are degrees to OP. Youre trying to twist my words and thats why you are claiming there is a non existent contradiction. Are you saying there is no difference in thorn op to say a handcannon that would one shot someone all the time? Theres different levels to op and there always has. 3. Never said machine guns arent, but theyre guns, not rockets so you dodge them differently. Makes no difference to the argument though. 4. Again, youre failing to understand, THE. PERK. COMBINATIONS. ARE. NOW. UNOBTAINABLE. Meaning it is unfair and some of them provide an unfair advantage, no other sniper can have 6 rounds and hold as many rounds as my supremecy aside from patience and time. THEY. HAVE. REMOVED. THESE. PERKS. from the table for a REASON. They want to balance their game, allowing these same weapons to continue just wont work for balance. If they allowed these weapons to continue, these weapons would be op down the line. I have already seen posts about people wanting old weapons banned on these forums. Im gonna go get a full list of removed perks because i can only think of my supremecy and my jolders. Reforging does have something to do with it but vanilla weapons came with these removed perks too. 5. I play COD but killstreaks are not just a CoD thing. I never liked halo. I feel its tied with GTA as one of the most overrated franchises to date. Editing