[quote]1. Get on destiny right now, get some machine gun and see how long it takes you to obtain field scout... youll run out of motes and weapon parts.[/quote] You do realize that all the vanilla weapons and Dark Below stuff DON'T have Reforge, right? I think the REAL problem in all that is Reforge itself. Also, I have the BTRD Machine Gun that is waaaay better than all my other MGs and it doesn't have Field Scout. Care to comment on that? [quote]Also a google search would work.[/quote] I'm not going to google YOUR evidence. =P [quote]2. I actually play pve more than i do pvp. But the fact of the matter, is its op for pvp.[/quote] My point still stands, why should PvP nonsense impact the rest of the game? There are plenty of people who DON'T play PvP. Any particular reason why you feel its alright to screw those people? They're innocent in all of this, yet they are the ones being victimized. [quote]But the fact of the matter, is its op for pvp. I didnt say field scout makes them drestically op[/quote] .......................................Really? You say its OP and then immediately say its basically not as bad? OP is OP, there are no varying degrees of it. Either something is overpowered or its not. You don't find this to be at all contradicting? [quote]it just gives a clear cut advantage[/quote] How? You haven't really done a good job of supporting this claim. All you've really been able to do is say that Heavy Ammo drops in PvP award too much ammo. That doesn't indicate there being anything at all wrong with Field Scout itself. [quote]and its going to be even easier to dodge rockets than it is now.[/quote] Proof? Not like it matters either which way. You do realize how stupid easy it is to dodge Machine Guns, right? I don't know, I think you're just not getting much in the way of actual competent opponents. But that's neither here nor there, this is just ultimately subjective controversy which has no real place in any kind of legitimate debate. [quote]Im gonna guess you dont pvp much.[/quote] You'd be wrong, actually. Though by comparison the majority of my time played has been in PvE, mainly due to how lackluster the PvP is when compared to Halo. [quote]If i can kill most before they shoot anything, and its going to be even easier to dodge, ive already been on 15+ killstreaks with it.[/quote] Ugh... "Killstreaks"... Let me guess, you're a COD person, huh? Let me just clarify something right now. I hate the COD franchise and think its a pointless game series that just insists upon itself over and over again. Just a constant money maker for Activision. I happen to be a SPARTAN from the Halo culture. That should be more than enough to infer where I stand on most of that, especially if you watch the little video I included with this comment up above. [quote]since you cannot get it anymore for these guns, there are other perks you can no longer obtain that make certain weapon types OP and thats why they removed them. Not "crazy OP" but they want to balance the game and it would be unfair for new players.[/quote] Again, you're still contradicting yourself. Can you please, if you're going to keep repeating yourself, provide more examples and explain why/how these older perks are so good and so OP/not-so-OP that they unbalance the game for newer players? [quote]You said if i bring up a strong point youd agree, but i highly doubt it, youve been spouting this bullshit for months, and im pretty sure youve been hit with logic by 100s and 100s of other people.[/quote] There were a few who did engage me in actual logical debate. In the end, they now agree and support me and what I'm saying. Most of the time people only THINK they are putting forth logic when in reality they just tip toe around a subject repeating themselves and then after I ask them the "big questions" they either ignore the questions entirely or just vanish and stop responding. You planning on doing the same? [quote]PS. I kill snipers with machine guns all the time because none of the maps have enough range to disable me from doing that unless youre on combined arms.[/quote] Sounds like you've encountered a lot of fail snipers then, bud. Example of a GOOD Sniper: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yei49wkvic