Yup, I got so pissed playing just regular clash last night. Everybody on the opposite team was running Thorn, so I said F it, I pulled out TLW and starting peeling caps back. I hate using it, but sometimes you gotta fight fire w/ fire. Thorn I absolutely hate and despise, and I will never use it in PVP. At least TLW doesn't kill you 3 to 5 seconds after you kill your opponent imo.