People saying they can outshoot thorn are idiots. Why? Because you're not outshooting the gun, you're outshooting the person using the gun -.- Of course there'll be inexperienced people using Thorn who are easy kills BUT veteran FPS players, especially Halo players, will undoubtedly be harder to outshoot with this gun. I don't use Thorn because I feel it is unfair to the other team. You can quickly get 3 head shots on someone because the fire rate is very fast for a semi-handcannon. The range is around par with legendary handcannons but the aim assist that comes with it is much greater. The 4 pulse 7dmg poison also is an easy kill and if you don't kill them with the poison their health is so far down you're suppressing them and giving them the incentive not to poke their head out again so you, and your team, can push in etc etc. Thorn is so versatile in its ranges in an experienced players hands that the player can dominate the game. This is why so many average/inexperienced crucible players cling to it; because the gun's ability itself can boost an average player to be above average.