I enjoy the crucible. And I'll tell you that after playing shooters since I was 8years old, (Doom, Quake, then Halo), destiny is a shooter that has a bigger diversity in how to play "PvP". This is comparing to the simple shooters, and most shooters do keep their versus mode mechanics simple. So maneuvering over to Destiny from all the previous generation shooters, there are many "weird" mechanics that we haven't seen. A shooter with super magic. Imagine if Mass Effect had PvP...we'd have the same lil problems: needed and buffed guns out the wazzou! Twitchy titans dropping their loads because they stumble without a good shot. Always something to complain about. That's okay you know? But it does get annoying to hear all the darn time. Especially from squeakers. Remember that this is a shooter of it's own. Well formulated and in a progressive forging over time. I like it. (Not all "PvPers" are whiny)---so hold my drink :) Haven't touched Halo Reach since September...says something. And I LOVED Reach. Take care guardians.