I mean to be blunt and honest, and no disrespect, you’re a below average player. Overall KD is .98 and trials KD is .63 KD. It’s not full of cheaters but there are some. You just need to get better at the game or watch streamers that play PvP to get insight on little things they do but PvP in this game is going down the drain so who cares anymore.

There are still deluded people who do not believe cheats operate in PvP. How do they explain the facts that some cheats have been recorded using giant and tiny guardians, and also playing as matterspark? Perma-ban every cheat and PvP will become healthy once again.

Destiny PvP Isn’t Dying — It’s Just Evolved Beyond New Players” Sorry to say it, but you are on Xbox, the probability of people outright cheating is actually really low. Sure, there’s the occasional Cronus or XIM user, but that’s a small minority. The bigger issue isn’t cheating — it’s the combination of low player population, SBMM (skill-based matchmaking), and the age of the game. Destiny’s PvP has been around for so long that almost everyone still playing it consistently is basically a veteran. Over the years, players have mastered every core mechanic — slide-shooting, ability combos, lane control, peeking, and even how to perfectly time ability and weapon swaps. On top of that, most serious players run extremely high sensitivity settings (14–18), which makes their movement feel near-inhuman if you’re not used to that pace. Because the player population is smaller now, SBMM has fewer players to pull from. The result? Every lobby ends up stacked with experienced players — whether you’ve got a 0.8 KD or a 2.5 KD, you’re probably getting matched against the same group of high-skill regulars. It’s not that everyone’s cheating — it’s that everyone left has mastered the art of Destiny PvP. Bungie hasn’t helped, either. There’s been no real onboarding process or protected space for new or returning players, and Quickplay isn’t actually “casual” anymore. Their engagement model focuses on keeping existing players grinding rather than developing the PvP ecosystem. So if you’re new or just not playing daily, PvP can feel brutal — like getting thrown into a tournament every match. In short: Destiny PvP isn’t full of cheaters — it’s full of survivors. The ones still around have adapted to every meta, learned every map angle, and play with a level of precision that looks unreal. It’s less about cheating and more about the natural evolution of a community that’s been sharpening its skills for nearly a decade.

You know you can also use 3rd party devices if you're struggling, it's not against ToS.

I played one game of red rumble and noped out. I can't understand someone 3 tapping me consistently while I'm shooting them in the face with with auto (although there is a huge amount of d-sync going on as well). I used to love farming pvp rolls in pve.. now I don't touch the mode.

I don't understand how people are complaining like this... I'm playing Trials currently and I don't feel as it's a cheating issue that I have, more so a skill issue. What mode are you playing that you see this in? Do you have any clips to share?

If you need a friend i'd be glad to help in pvp. I need to practice but i usually am 1+ kd with a team so i shouldn't be a liability. My issue is i suck on my own at times. I need some help. When i have a team. Even if it's 2-3 people i am much better.

Yeah, it's just not good at all... Quick play/control is sweaty asf and you have players running around glowing red and taking no damage... PVP is done unless Bungie has some secret fix under their sleeves...

I like PvP, I had time where that’s the only thing I played in the game for weeks. But realistically I don’t think that it is, nor should be, the priority to fix for Bungie at the moment. The cheating is completely out of hands, and don’t you dare quitting on a cheater in comp because you’ll get suspended. But I don’t get my hope too high. Maybe we will benefit from Marathon tech eventually on cheat detection.