Hi. I'm a D1 beta player that finally gave up earlier this year. Indeed way back then the game was fun. I've always been a pvp player, but what I liked about Destiny was I could go into pvp high intensity and then kind of relax and play a few pve. Also the loop made sense because a lot of time I'd find better weapons in pve that then I'd try out in pvp. A lot has happen since then and any of us could write an essay on what we think went wrong, but I'll just say what drove me away (well, not totally since I since check out the forums every once in a while). First, as a pvp guy, the ability spam. Yeah Destiny was always about space magic, but over the years imho they pushed on the sauce too much. Too many buffs and puffs and too much visual noise that a lot of times left me like wtf is going on. Some may like it, I don't. Then population decrease which led to ever increasing dificulty in pvp. I remember having a group that got together on Friday night to get to the lighthouse in D1. We always managed it and it was fun. Eventually it got so hard that it was just frustrating. And then, of course, what you talk about and made me post -- the grind for the sake of grinding. Ever more convoluted and hard and ever less rewarding. I don't think this game will make a comeback. It was a good run and I keep fond memories of it, but I truly believe it has run its course. On Steam, sometimes it has less people playing than CS2 has players searching for a new game. And btw, Marathon ain't it either.