If I am reading the comments corretcly, they added timers to pressage and N/Avalon. I am reading if you reach the timer you are booted to orbit. I could do them both on normal before this patch but probably not with timers now. Bungie sees players talking about timers on everything being bad and they continue to put timers on everything. We al can't kill the boss i9 record time or navigate through the content at the speed they think elite players should be able to. Yes I agree this is another big lose, lose for bungie. I am not even gonna log in and try as I am not seeing a single post refuting the claims. Bungie obviously does not play their own game and has no clue about fuin and engaging game play. Bungie can make the game so hard only the top 0.01% of players can complete stuff, but they fail to realize that you drive away the masses and their wallets go with them.