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Edited by Noiselesspurse17: 9/7/2015 5:41:31 PM
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There are no valid arguments for the existence of God

Lately, I've been seeing tons of illogical arguments that christians have been trying to use to prove the existence of God. I haven't seen one valid argument for God, and I'm getting quite tired of destroying the same feeble arguments over and over again, so I thought I'd take the most common ones and take them apart, so that you people can finally stop using them. [quote][i]You can't prove that God isn't real. [/i][/quote] This is a logical fallacy. The burden of proof lies on the person claiming the positive (religious people), not us. If you believe God is real, it's your job to provide evidence. Furthermore, we also can't prove that there isn't a magic green monkey flying around Jupiter, but that isn't a valid reason to believe he's there. [quote][i]The Bible is proof of God[/i][/quote] No. Just, no. Anyone who uses a Bible verse to support the existence of God is insane. That's like saying that a Spider-Man comic is proof of spider man. [quote][i]Do you really think that all life could have arisen from a series of coincidences?[/i][/quote] Anyone who says this needs to do a bit more research. Yes, there were many requirements for life to arise on earth, but you're not considering how large the universe is, and how many times shit has gone wrong. Statistically speaking, the natural evolution of life on earth is very possible, and there is almost certainly other life out there. [quote][i]Well, science doesn't fully understand 'X' yet, therefore God must have done it.[/i][/quote] Just because we don't understand something yet doesn't mean we won't in the future, and to instantly assume that everything is Gods work is a very closed-minded way of looking at things. [quote][i]It's called having faith.[/i][/quote] No. Faith is the intentional suppression of critical thinking skills. It is in no way a valid reason to believe anything. [quote][i]The second law of thermodynamics states that systems become less and less organized. That means that evolution and the Big Bang go against this law. Therefore, God is responsible for the creation of earth and life on earth[/i][/quote] This isn't true. The second law of thermodynamics only applies to isolated (closed) systems. The earth is in no way a closed system. This argument really just shows ignorance on whoever uses it's part. [quote][i]Theres nothing to lose by not believing in him, and eternal paradise if you do. (Pascal's Wager).[/i][/quote] This is a horrible argument for a number of reasons. First, who says the Christian God is real? There are hundreds of different Gods out there, so why not believe in them too, just to be safe? Secondly, do you really think an omniscient God won't figure out that the only reason you believed in him was because you wanted to go to heaven? Pascal's wagers is one of the worst arguments ever. Period. Note: This next one was actually an argument on this very thread. Try not to die of laughter. [quote][i]http://thetruthwins.com/archives/dna-results-for-the-nephilim-skulls-in-peru-are-in-and-the-results-are-absolutely-shocking We have angel skulls, therefore God exists. [/i][/quote] This one made me laugh so hard. The link basically just says that the skulls were from an unknown human-like creature, probably some sort of primate. The guy who sent me this instantly jumped from "unknown human-like mammal" to "Angel skulls". I literally can't even right now. These are only a few of the arguments that I can remember off the top of my head, but I know I'm missing a ton. Post them below, and I'll destroy them and add them to the OP. Help me spread education and awareness to Offtopic, one post at a time. Purse, out.

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  • Its funny that people put such effort into these posts, when the fact is that people who actually believe in God wont be swayed because some guy on the internet said God isnt real.

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    • I'm actually going to back NoiselessPurse up here. Here's an abridged version of the Euthyphro Dilemma, for all you theists. [quote]Let's assume that God exists, and that God says Behavior X is good. Is Behavior X good because God commands it, or does God command behavior X because it's good? It can't be both, because if it were both then you could have a circular argument proceeding much like the following: "Why is Behavior X good?" "God commands it." "Why does God command it?" "Because it's good." Rinse and repeat for all eternity. So it can't be both. Let's go over the options. If Behavior X is good simply because God commands it, then you may as well be one of those cultists who still sacrifices animals. I'm not willing to say anything farther, but Behavior X could be [i]anything[/i], and by that logic you'd still be forced to say it's good. So it's got to be the other option, right? Think again! If God commands Behavior X because it's good, then its goodness exists independently of God. Which is to say, God's irrelevant because goodness is caused by something else! tl;dr God is either arbitrary or irrelevant, by matter of logical necessity. [/quote] All of that's assuming God actually exists!

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      • Well here's my opinion if God was real how come he hasn't came to help us in our time of need? Being an atheist myself, I think he has either abandoned us or had given up on human kind. [spoiler]he doesn't exist u mad?[/spoiler]

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      • There are also no valid arguments for the existence of you

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      • Well, let's see... how to prove God might just exist... oh I know, anything that science can't explain.

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        • But if God isn't real Why do we have Shrek? Or Filthy Frank?

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        • Stages of life discovered in the 60s was in the Quran centuries before the science was known to mankind. Nuff sed.

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        • I don't think any of these forum topics should exsist. Why should we try to prove someone's beleifs are false. Why would anyone do that. Live and let live people

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        • I actually agree with purse for once.

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        • How about this, you say God is real I saw he doesn't, we acknowledge each other differences, and go our separate ways and call in a night [spoiler]good?[/spoiler]

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        • Lol "burden of proof" is the lamest excuse I've ever heard for any argument

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          • NOBODY CARES!

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          • These threads are so troll-ish. They just want replies and you all oblige every time. And i guess I just did as well. But still....

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          • Then why dose the cold have a limit when heat can infinity become hotter? So maybe there is no cold only lack of heat.

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            • I agree with you but do wish that religious posts would please stop

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            • A true Christian would not dare to prove the existence of God, he would know the laws by which someone comes to know of the existence of God therefore he would not waste his time proving God.

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            • No offense to anyone but I feel like atheists can be the same way, the only real argument I ever hear is something like, "because science"

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              • [quote] [quote][i]The Bible is proof of God[/i][/quote] No. Just, no. Anyone who uses a Bible verse to support the existence of God is insane. That's like saying that a Spider-Man comic is proof of spider man. [/quote] Hey but I am real[spoiler]marvel proved it[/spoiler]

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                • Edited by arosa-gti: 9/25/2015 5:08:55 PM
                  [b][i][u]Pascal's wager[/u][/i][/b][spoiler]that's all you need to know[/spoiler]

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                  • There's no proof that God doesn't exist [spoiler]fixed[/spoiler] [spoiler]you're welcome [/spoiler]

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                    • This thread gave me cancer upon opening it. Please stop the cancer and close this thread. Thanks for listening.

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                      • Your mistake was in thinking the religious give a damn about logical arguments. They don't almost by definition.

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                      • Edited by Autolycus: 9/25/2015 6:28:57 PM
                        There are no valid arguments for the existence of NoiselessPurse.

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                        • How about you just leave people alone? Let them believe what they want to.

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                          • Can you prove that he isn't real?

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