I'm going to leave it at this: at launch Destiny was 22mil now it hovers between 15-16mil. LoL, WoW, FF14, PoE, Diablo3, all have more players on server at any given time and that's been since the vanilla game. Basing a game's worth on it's extra content is so stupid. Why buy the game if you didn't buy it because the vanilla game is fun? I can play D3 without the expansion and be as satisfied with it. Also, Destiny's DLC was already on disc. You paid and are basing this game's worth on something you paid 60 bucks for at launch. FF14 expansion...free. LoL expansions.....you got it, free. SWTOR can be played and enjoyed with no DLC. No, we're not at an impasse. You're wrong and refuse to see reason.